I mean Israel and Palestine were assigned equal territories. The Arabs did not like them, so they began a war, The War of Independence. They began it and they lost it! I mean this is how the world works right? No one tells France to return its land to Germany or Russia either. Throughout, Palestine was given pretty good offers, which it refused, but now they want those offers again and Israel doesn’t. I’m not talking about how Israel treats Palestinian people, or how they are occupying them. Why Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia won’t help and refugee them? The Arab league only talk and actually dose nothing! They wait until the US will do something. This is stupid they are like little kids! Now after they lost, they want back everything they had! you don’t go to a casino and ask for the money you lost right?! I mean PL wasn’t a country even! there were Brits! and before that Turks! There was never a government called Palestine. Although I do agree that PL people should get land and I think the Israeli Settlements are wrong!
Please if you have not read it all, don’t jump to conclusions!
by Rabbi Ehrlichmann: Copy of Dee’s link right here.Jewish Israeli man described the ethnic-cleansing, land theft war crimes he witnessed and committed in 1948. Please watch this crucial video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8IjnRsRP…That is not the true history of what happened.What you are claiming is Israeli propaganda.I do not blame you for one minute for feeling the way you do because you were not told the truth in Israel.The UN did not create Israel and this is not a matter of opinion it is pure fact.Jews started attacking the Palestinians and ethnically-cleansing the Palestinians in 1947 before the “war” ever started. This is a fact, too.If you want to stay consistent then Russia could militarily destroy Israel and “this is how the world works” would apply.Also, you should not mind if all the people of the world convince our leaders to boycott Israel economically and bankrupt it. It is a kind of economic war and if we have the power to destroy Israel financially “this is how the world works” and you nor no Israeli / Jew / supporter of Israel should complain.”Jews” did not win WWII but the Allies forced Germany to pay billions of dollars to the Jews for the last 70 years. “We” could do the same thing to Israel – make you pay billions to the Palestinians for stealing their land.All of the land – all of it is Palestinian.[added]First – let me tell you something that is more important than Israel and Palestine. If you want to understand history you have to examine original documents. There are many things that people believe, not just about Israel but about history in general, science, law and every other subject that are just plain wrong simply because they have heard it a thousand times.So here is your homework if you want to be an expert on the creation of Israel. Search the internet and find the UN Charter and read it. Find the UN records on the partition of Palestine. Find and read the voting results. In other words do not allow anyone on Y/A tell you what they think happened between 1945 and 1948.Now I am going to make a few statements and challenge you to come back after reading the original documents and tell everyone if am right or wrong.01. The UN has no power to create or establish countries. They have never created one and have never voted on creating one and that includes Israel. The UN is an international body that is limited in scope (or is supposed to be) by it charter just as the federal government of the USA is limited by the US Constitution. The UN did not create Israel and if it had it would be counter to the UN Charter and be null and void.02. The UN General Assembly voted on a partition plan for Palestine (1947). However, the plan was a suggestion and it did not have the force of law. The UN Charter does not allow the UN to partition a territory and assign it to two or more parties. There was a effort to submit the plan to the World Court but the Zionists blocked that knowing that the World Court would deem that the UN did not have the jurisdiction to partition Palestine.03. The partition plan (Resolution 181) was never sent to the Security Council to be ratified – it was never ratified. So, even if the UN had had the right to determine the details of a partition the resolution ws never ratified and therefore there was only a proposal of a suggestion in the end.04. The Zionists were unable to get what they wanted from the UN, specifically a thin veil of legitimacy so they took the matter into their own hands. The Zionists started ethnically-cleansing Palestinians, then declared a state, then drove more Palestinians out of the land they claimed, then the Arab nations attacked.05. The Zionists attacked both British, Arab and Jewish individuals and property in acts defined as terrorism way before the 1948 war started. Zionists murdered Lord Moyne, British Minister of State in the Middle East. Zionists murdered British (1944). Jews and Arabs King David Hotel ing (1946). Zionists sent letter s to US President Harry Truman (1947). Zionist murdered UN Representative Count Bernadotte (because they did not want peace, they wanted more territory.06. It is these facts that cause well educated honest Jews like Gilad Atzom, Shlomo Sand, Norman Finkelstein, Ilan Pappe and thousands of others to defy the Zionist mainstream and demand that Jews examine the real history of Israel and come to a reasonable resolution of the situation.As another user suggested recently – read about the SS Patria. Read about the numerous cases of Zionists killing Jews and then try to not see Zionism as a criminal enterprise and try not to see the creation of Israel as a criminal act.[/added]
by Is: They are trying to look for ways to delegitimise Israel and when they can’t, they resort to lying. It was the British Mandate of Palestine. The UN had every right to give it to Israel, especially seeing as over 90% of the land was owned by the state and not actual people. So when the Jews started to immigrate, having been ethnically cleansed from all the Arab countries, the Palestinians decided to fight them instead of accepting the reality of the situation. They were stealing Israel’s land.@fakeI read through your answer. Couldn’t find even an ounce of truth.@m iComplete, puerile bullshit.The Arabs did start the war. They were the ones in opposition of the partition plan and therefore they attacked. Simple facts.Palestinians owned about the same amount as the Jews. The vast majority was owned by the state. You just told a complete lie.The Zionists did not go into villages and mass murder people. They were attacked by the Arabs there, despite the fact that it was legally Jewish land after the partition plan.Stop painting these Arabs as defenseless. You think they had less than a bunch of Jewish refugees off the back of the Holocaust when everything was taken from the Jews?Most of the Arabs fled because the incoming armies of Egypt, Syria etc wanted to clear them out so that they could kill the Jews. It was well documented over official radio broadcasts. The ones who stayed had the opportunity to become Israeli Arabs but instead they chose to fight and they got killed. They were not forced to fight, it was their choice.So stop making up ridiculous bullshit, you absolute imbecile.
by Petit: They were assigned after intense mail and death threats by powerful Zionist figures at the UN. Many UN members were forced to vote in favour of the Partition Plan and some were forced to change their vote. Otherwise the resolution would’ve never been passed. But if you read the diaries of Ben Gorion and other Zionist leaders at that time you will discover that partition for Zionists was only temporary until they build up strong army to conquer the entire country. That was exactly what happened. Israel attacked and captured (or liberated as Ben Gorion called it) Arab territories under UN181 and started expelling Palestinians before Arab armies attacked. So Israel started that war, not the Arabs.Palestine was never given good offers, well Olmert’s 2008 plan seems the most reasonable one but he was shot down by rich Zionist fanatics. A semi-state of islands surrounded by Israeli settlements and roads is not something I would call a good offer. But that’s the whole point. The Israelis knew that Palestinian negotiators can’t accept such thing, so let’s give them offers they can’t accept and then blame them for the failed peace process while our settlements continue to grow! Since Israel is the one that caused the refugees, any solution to their problem should include Israel as well. Or imagine if every country wanted to get rid of unwanted population it can just send them elsewhere and blame their host countries. This will only encourage Israel to expel more Palestinians knowing that there won’t be a headache called the refugee problem. Palestine was not a sovereign country but it was a homeland for more than one million people. If you take that homeland away from them and deprive them from their right to continue living there then it’s the same like stealing it from them. Israel was created a state for Jews on Arab majority land (Palestinian Arabs also owned and operated majority of lands in Palestine). Expulsion (or transfer as Ben Gorion called it) of the Arabs was the only way to create a Jewish state that we know today as Israel. I am not saying it has to be called Palestine, but it has to be democratic, civilized and it has to include all the people who live there regardless of their religion or ethnic backgrounds.@Diego’s propagandaFunny even the Jewish Virtual Library puts the Jewish land ownership to 9% only. Here is the data from British Mandate government as of 1945:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_P…@YotamIs there any way to support Israel without lying?
by m i: The Arabs didn’t begin a war, nor were Israel and Palestine assigned equal territories. The U.N. partition plan which was a recommendation only assigned the majority of Palestine to a Jewish state, even though Jews were the minority and legally owned only about 7% of it – Palestinians owned most of the rest.The zionists who founded Israel soon began going into villages and mass murdering people. Do you really think that it’s OK to mass murder people and take their homes because some leaders declined to have their country divided by foreigners? Most of the Arab villagers and townspeople had no armaments worth anything, they were defenceless when Israelis and zionists took over villages, ordered people out of their homes and then shot them. Or just ordered them out of the country. It’s not like they gambled, they were living in their homes and then some Israelis pointed guns at them and took the homes.
by anvil: Israel could not “steal “land that was already theirs,as a nation, for over 3300 years,as attested to by the Pharaoh Menaptah’s steleJews returned from exile during the reign of King Cyrus and many stayed in the their Land.This despite attempt by almost every invader to eliminate them.More recently local Arabs and Jordanians engaged in wholesale slaughter of communities in what is euphemistically called the West Bank,and who destroyed those settlements and drove what remained of the Jewish population of East Jerusalem from their homes before destroying every synagogue and home.These “Palestinians ” and their Arab compatriots hoped to make the Land of Israel Judenrein=free of Jews.This brutal xenophobic behaviour occurred despite,or perhaps because of the decision by the League of Nations to create a Jewish Homeland in the area between Lebanon ,Syria,Iraq,Saudi Arabia and Egypt.This award of a Jewish Homeland took place at the same time as Syria,Lebanon and Iraq were decolonized.Britain was appointed as the Mandatory power over the Jewish Homeland but instead created immediately a puppet Arab state out of 78%,called Transjordan.It than imposed severe restrictions on Jewish immigration.Eventually it banned Jews from entering the Land of Israel preventing millions of lives being saved from the Nazi Holocaust.By 1945 Britain had a 120,000 strong Army of Occupation to keep it’s 600,000 men,women and children under the jackboot of Martial Law.The Headquarters of Military Intelligence which kept files on all all Jews and often imprisoned them was kept in a wing of the most famous King David Hotel.The Irgun phoned and warned the Military the Wing was about to be destroyed but the British refused to take the warning seriously.The Wing was surgically destroyed ,and with it every file.The Underground Irgun functioned as an Army of National Resistance that drove Britain out and allowed the new United Nations to find a better solution.Israel was granted 10% of the original League of Nations Jewish Homeland.Jerusalem was excluded and made an international zone for 10 years.Cynical underhand Britain had armed the Jordanian Arab Puppet state with a British paid Army under Gen.Sir John Glubb who promptly in 1948 with the assistance of local Arabs than made East Jerusalem and Judea “Judenrein” and part of Jordan..The so called International zone was occupied by Jordan and remained so until Israel liberated it’s own land in 1967.But the Palestinians suddenly discovered that they were Philistines all along and that all the land conquered by Jordan and Egypt and than liberated in the 6 Day war had been theirs all alongWhat a farce!They claim that land captured and lost by another Arab state, was not Israel’s land even if it was known as Judea and Shomron,even illegally siezed International areas like Jerusalem,but should have been Palestinian. Except that Palestine has never existed and has no claims on the Land of Israel awarded by the League of Nations, unanimously to be a Jewish Homeland.And so the Pal Propaganda machine starts the story of Jews not being Jews but Khazaks or European converts,and that all the Hebrews miraculously became Arabs who discovered they were the ancient Hellenic Philistines and therefore had prior claim to Israel.Except that when the Philistines were taken as slaves to Babylon 2600 years ago they never came back.The truth is that Palestinians have one dubious claim to the Land of Israel. As invaders!.Many of them were descended from the Arab invaders from Saudi Arabia -about 1500 years after the Hebrews established their nation in the Land of Israel.But they will argue that Jews are recent immigrants.And they are right in that almost a million Jewish refugees fled 20 Arab countries that made life impossible and kicked them out with the clothing on their backs.The United Nations Refugee agency did not lift a hand to help them settle in the land of their forefathers.But on the other hand UNRHA was created only for the benefit of Arabs from the Land of Israel.For them ,their children and their grandchildren in perpetuity.But over 100.000 Arabs from all over the Middle East settled in the Jewish Homeland because of the development that Jews brought to this land. UNRHA made a special exemption for them.Any Arab who had emigrated to the Mandatory territory for two years was to also be regarded as a bone fide Palestinian.Those recent immigrants and their children’s children were also to be regarded as United Nations UNRHA Refugees ,for ever.This explains why millions of Palestinians sponge on UNO which is financed in the main by the United States ,to this very day.But to claim this gives Palestinians any right to another peoples land,The Land of Israel,is an attempt at highway robbery.And has no legal substance.
by Ajku: the law is the upheld law.on the topic of usa and refugees.The refugee crisis amongst muslim countries is terrible, (the media called “arab sprint”), filled with protesting and civil rebelion.The term refugees means they were fleeing war. So the Arab League (if such a community exists exclusively outside of U.N) was doing something, they were carrying on with life, saddam hussien was carrying on with life.When world trade centre planes fell, US govt did something, with UN. and you the US pop noticed (“ahh this is what they are doing”)read the bible, look at a world map.
by Digital Path: The over zealous Israelis have been taking property and homes and buildings since the war , but before that they actually bought some of the nicer places. the brits partitioned the area .Now if kid throws a rock at a soldier , they bulldoze the parents home and take the land.The “Palestinians” kept terrible land title records , so a huge portion of Palestinians that fled from the war, will never be given back their land and many of their homes and businesses are gone and new buildings , streets and parking lots are built on them, pasture land around the west bank that was shared even with bedouin was taken with no due process at all, I know all this happened to many Palestinians, But you still have to deal with the fact that the Romans drove the Jews from their land destroying their religious sites, yet they held on to God and his promise throughout the Spanish inquisition and the Nazis ,And after the Romans drove the Jews from their land , along came Mohamed and invented a religion and occupied the land and their policy of hatred is entrenched in Palestinian society,And the governing organization called the Palestinian Authority is not protecting the rights of Christian Palestinians that know the scriptures they believe grant the land to the children of JacobThen came the crusades sponsored by the catholic church and they took back most of Israel by the sword even the Sinai. they killed as many Moslems as they could find, leaving only peaceful christians who were both jews and Gentiles thus creating the first Palestinians ,BUT mohameds fake religion came back, Then the Jews who ran from the inquisition and cowered to the Nazis,,,,,Began to return, whether you call them zionists or Israelis Now they DON’T RUN FROM ANYONE and never will, it isn’t like God didn’t give everyone a spectacular world to live in , it’s just that anyone that doesn’t agree that god gave the land to Israel , hates God and hates the idea that he chose one people over all others for his purpose,My opinion is if you don’t like it ,,,, toughshit ! The Jews are tied to the land and nothing you say or do will change that.That said it is in the law just how the Jews are to treat strangers and everybody.I always hold that it no one has the right to steal from anyone.But I won’t be offering my land back to the American Indians that lived in the general vicinity in the past. The British did the world a great disservice by not properly setting up a land ownership registry and address safeguarding the diversity of Arab beliefs and rights
by Tank: My grand parents lived in shaab northern Palestine, and at least 10 generations before them as well, 1948 came, they were forced to leave, my grandfather was a police officer and he owned tons of land. He lost every bit of it and had to leave to lebanon. That’s why we say stolen. imagine a man came to your house and said this is my home, it was my ancestor’s home, but u can stay in the bathroom and we’ll treat u like prisoners in your own home. I’m not anti israeli or anti jewish, i think we should all live their in peace, no land disputes, just everyone lives side by side.family
by diego: Just to add that till 1948 all the jewish lands where legally bought lands from their muslim/ottomans owners and only in the context of the war the jews conquered the rest.@Rabbi : you called to it Israeli propaganda and you say that the jews attacked first, probably your prejudice doesn’t let you to take a real book on the 1948 war to see what really happened.
by Nabil: Lord Belfour, from Britten divided to the land to his convenience, now the question is what right did Belfour had to give away somebody else’s land and decide who gets what?that’s the bases of what went on, and by the way in my beloved Torah we as Jews can’t have our own home land until the messiah comes.Micah 5:3 “Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor bears a son, and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.”Isaiah 9:6 “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”So why are the Zionists claiming a Jewish home land when it’s prohibited biblically for us to have one?I’m a Lebanese Jew.
by Sam: Twice in the last two years, the world had a vote at the UN on whether palestine should become it’s own state. The votes were 138 for and 9 against. Because those 9 were israel and allies of israel, the vote lost. Let me add these 8 other countries do not support israel, but their governments do.
by Dee: Rabbi Ehrlichmann is very right. Please watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8IjnRsRP…
by Alan: Because regardless of the UN vote that is essentially what happened.Ignore people who say they bought it, they are ignorant or delusional.
by trancing…: You say “assigned” we say stolen.Annakbah, 1948
by Yotam: People seem to forget that most of the land was actually purchased.
by Itay: because they want israel and can lie